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Blog: PTA Speaks Out on Feinstein’s Ban on Assault Weapons

This is one of those defining moments that calls for our elected officials to look beyond polls and into the face of our children and keep them safe from harm.

Sandy Hook. Virginia Tech. Columbine. Stockton.

How many more school names shall we remember not for a list of graduates but for the number of children killed?

The answer should be clear – not one more school, not one more child.

In our schools, in our shopping centers and in all our communities, public safety trumps the right of anyone to have an assault weapon designed for the battlefield.

This is one of those defining moments that calls for our elected officials to look beyond polls and into the face of our children and keep them safe from harm.

More than 20 years ago, California State PTA called for the ban on assault weapons following the killings at an elementary school in Stockton. 

A gunman opened fire with an AK 47 assault rifle on the playground of Cleveland Elementary School. Five children were killed and many others injured.

Today we renew that call.

California State PTA supports Senator Feinstein’s proposed legislation to stop the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition feeding devices.

We do not need more guns and ammunition on our school campuses. What we need, especially in California, is more counselors, and mental health services, and smaller class sizes and school nurses.

Let’s not escalate a gun culture. Let’s escalate our support for a safe and high-quality education for all children.

Editor's Note: Carol Kocivar of San Francisco is president of the California State PTA.

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Mark Paxson February 16, 2013 at 02:57 PM
Part 2 I’d love to chime in on your idea that every type of weapon must be classified as defensive or offensive and provide some examples of how that simply cannot be, but it’s pointless. You’ll claim that I’m just arguing because apparently the only legitimate discussion to you is throwing out whatever ideas you have and nobody challenging them. That’s not a discussion, that’s intellectual masturbation, an art form you've perfected. Am I out to prove you wrong? Or anybody else for that matter? No. I’d like to find solutions to these problems, find some common ground we can agree on that provides a path forward. To do so, there should be some common understandings. It’s impossible to get to those common understandings if you have your “facts” and I have mine and we are unwilling to agree on the foundational facts. It’s even more impossible when one side of the debate is unwilling to engage in a fair discussion – that would be you, sir. You’re the one looking for an argument and are trying to prove people wrong. You're looking to "win" the argument and prove your superiority. So, keep on sticking your fingers in your ears and your tongue out at me whenever I have something to say. It reflects well on you.
Sarah Creeley February 16, 2013 at 03:13 PM
I really like Jolly Roger's comments, and I agree with his, or her, posts. Thank you PTA for pointing out the fact that children should be protected from gun violence!! Anyone who has lived in the communities of San Pablo, Richmond, San Francisco Bayview Hunters Point, Oakland, feel the result of gun violence. The last most notorious shootings have all been done with guns that were purchased LEGALLY. The problem IS that people have access to these weapons.
Sarah Creeley February 16, 2013 at 03:22 PM
Jim C, I disagree completely.
Sarah Creeley February 16, 2013 at 03:40 PM
Thank you, Susan! It is absurd to think that gun violence does not affect schools and education. And as you said, these incidents are AT SCHOOL making them the PTA's business.
desertpatriot February 16, 2013 at 04:37 PM
@markymark: in my defense, because i take a strong stance against homosexuality as being a 'normal' lifestyle choice the local homosexual militia wants to hunt me down, tarred and feathered then hanged, drawn and quartered. with the population of nearby palm springs being half homosexual is it any wonder i prefer to remain anonymous? "coward"? no, just precautious
Aaron February 16, 2013 at 04:38 PM
Mark, Just an observation... You have to expect the occasional "threatening" outburst. You tend to communicate (while behind the keyboard) in a way I'm sure you do not in real life. In real life much of the things you type, if spoken to someone in person, would result in fist strikes about your face, neck, and upper torso. I think you (like many people) know this and take advantage of the distance cyberspace provides you. Now, should others be free to insult and threaten you? Of course not. They should keep their comments to themselves. I just thought you would want to understand why you attract such attention. (If you in-fact enjoy attracting such attention... I think the term is "troll".)
Wire February 16, 2013 at 04:45 PM
Give this a listen to. http://www.khow.com/cc-common/podcast/single_page.html?more_page=1&podcast=fullshow_boyles&selected_podcast=02152013PETER6AM_1360937316_11143.mp3
TGD February 16, 2013 at 04:51 PM
"@tgd: hey @ss-wipe, last time i checked la jolla was in socal. are you on medication or were you just born this way...dumb? ...michael savage is one of the most intelligent people i've heard on the radio. we are blessed to be able to hear his wisdom m-f on ksfo" Man you are dense, the blog is posted all over the states different Patch locations and not exclusive to socal. Why don't you take your own advice and stick to your own information source from socal instead of listening to talk radio that is broadcast from where? KSFO = Norcal. Quit drinking the bongwater.
M.Legison February 16, 2013 at 04:56 PM
One can only hope that Mark is happy in his present employment as a ward of the state, because after any prospective private industry employer searched his name and read these posts, he would be eliminated from further consideration on the spot.
Greg Coppes February 16, 2013 at 06:08 PM
Poor Mark, You misquote me, take my comments out of context, reply in an argumentative fashion. For instance using your style and logic. You contend that all weapons are defensive thus are legal to own. I don't want to hear your response (spin). I know thats not what you meant. My point is that is what you consider discussion. In a real moderated debate, not that crap they do for candidates on tv a true debate. I would crush you. There you wouldn't get away with the crap you try here.
Greg Coppes February 16, 2013 at 06:10 PM
Poor Mark, You misquote me, take my comments out of context, reply in an argumentative fashion. For instance using your style and logic. You contend that all weapons are defensive thus are legal to own. I don't want to hear your response (spin). I know thats not what you meant. My point is that is what you consider discussion. In a real moderated debate, not that crap they do for candidates on tv a true debate. I would crush you. There you wouldn't get away with your the crap you try here.
Mark Paxson February 16, 2013 at 07:26 PM
Thank you, M. for nothing more than the usual consistency -- offering nothing of substance, but coming along for a little bit of anonymous hit-and-run snark.
Mark Paxson February 16, 2013 at 07:27 PM
Thank you, Greg, for proving my point.
Mark Paxson February 16, 2013 at 07:31 PM
Thank you, Aaron, for the feedback. Odd thing is that I can have conversations with friends and family, acquaintances and colleagues in which I can challenge their opinions and ask them to back them up and they don't respond with efforts to belittle me, attack me, or threaten me. You see, out there in the real world, where I live, discussions are just that -- a back and forth of ideas, of challenges, of having to prove your opinion and accepting where you are wrong. Here on Patch and other similar sites, not so much. "I disagree, tell me more" or the equivalent is met with attacks, not with "hmmm, maybe I should back up my statement a bit more. You're right, I say things here I wouldn't say in person. Again, odd thing is, I don't have to in person because nobody attacks me in person the way I am attacked here.
Wire February 16, 2013 at 07:35 PM
Sense Susan can read law, how many laws did Adam break? I like the joining bedrooms by a door. She was worried about him and the guns were locked up. Big worry RIGHT! Mark works for GE, that works with Obama administration to employ Chinese people the new frontier for the world banks while we were robbed and crashed. PATCH is state wide it's up to it's area Ed's what is fit to print.
Greg Coppes February 16, 2013 at 09:49 PM
Like I told you everyone see's you for what you are. Even those who agree with you lol. I find your post to DP that you want peoples post's to stay up forever to show what the poster is all about. You deleted a whole discussion when you trapped yourself lol. Talk about a hypocrite.
Mark Paxson February 16, 2013 at 10:46 PM
You spin it however you want. As I said after I deleted the posts, I was embarrased by the depths of stupidity we had sunk to. That you weren't speaks volumes.
desertpatriot February 16, 2013 at 10:50 PM
@markymark: i think you're full of yourself. maybe you need to take a step back, have a slice of humble pie and quit being so self-absorbed. i'm just sayin'...
Mark Paxson February 16, 2013 at 10:55 PM
Yes, of course, Desertpatriot ... in your world, people can attack me, question whether I'm an attorney, threaten me, call me names, pretty much throw everything they have at me personally and specifically, and I'm the self-absorbed one for responding.
Greg Coppes February 16, 2013 at 11:08 PM
I know what it is your still upset that I'm straight and didn't respond to your advances. Buck up like I said you can always fantasize lol
Mark Paxson February 16, 2013 at 11:17 PM
Stung by your high school wit once again.
The Captain February 17, 2013 at 12:21 AM
TGD, LMFAO
desertpatriot February 17, 2013 at 01:52 AM
"I know what it is your still upset that I'm straight and didn't respond to your advances" oh my gosh! what a revelation. self-absorbed, drama queen, flamboyant, constantly whining, pro homosexual, pro same-sex marriage. it all adds up. markymark, are you...i mean...who knew?!?!
Smitty911 February 17, 2013 at 02:17 AM
Susan, My solution is to not re-elect anyone! or allow them to move upwards, sideways or downward into any other political office and possibly government service. When these clown doctors start looking at it as a temp job they will have to be more careful because very soon the laws they pass will apply to them. Extreme Policies - Like Obama Care? Drone Strikes on US Citizens without due process? Illegal Foreign wars? etc. etc. I'd like to address your statement. " The fundamental flaw with this tactic is the overwhelming majority of Americans know the difference between our government and that of other countries in world." IS FALSE - I ran for Congress in 2008 and based on my talking with hundreds of people they know more about the Lakers than they do about our Government. It's even worst than that, the person currently in the White House called us a Democracy - FYI - We are a Constitutional Republic - Huge Difference. Best regards, Smitty
Susan February 17, 2013 at 04:29 AM
Smitty, this thread has devolved into a mosh pit that has nothing to do with the topic anymore. My issue was with people throwing around the word tyranny, which I think is total BS. Fear, paranoia, anger, zombie apocalypse, it's the freaking Boy Who Cried Wolf filling the hate talk radio airwaves each and everyday, and I'm not drinkin' the "bongwater."
Smitty911 February 17, 2013 at 04:50 AM
Susan, Your right. These discussions do take a few turns and twist. Your dealing with humans for the most part ;) In an attempt to return the discussion to the PTA, maybe they should be more concerned about the number of children dropping out of school (45% in areas), the sexual abuse by teachers on students, the Unions grasp on the education system (which turns out substandard students), and the misuse of the excessive funding they currently have. I'm game for solutions - You? Best regards, Smitty
Carl Petersen III February 19, 2013 at 04:59 AM
TGD 8:52 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013 "With that said it looks like you are now the poster child for conservative idiot on the Patch." . . There is lots of competition! Arthur Spooner 10:21 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013 "Ooooohhhhhhh is that a threat?? One Voice, are you quivering?? The last thing I have ever been afraid of is a liberal. Bring it on!!" http://lakeelsinore-wildomar.patch.com/users/arthur-spooner/comments
The Teller of Truth February 19, 2013 at 06:46 AM
Well look whos buttin in and trying to start arguements over here in beautiful La Jolla. (White on rice buddy!)
Jim C February 19, 2013 at 06:49 PM
What is absurd is for an organization to take sides on a controversial issue that is not even part of their core mission. This will cause a significant percentage of people to drop their membership to the PTA. It's bad stewardship, plain and simple. And to say that they should speak out on the AWB because there have been shootings on school campuses is just silly. Should they have a position on air pollution because it affects people breathing on campus? Should they have a position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because some students are Jewish or there is a Palestinian club on campus? Should they have a position on the gear ratios in a '68 GTO because there is, after all, auto shop on campus? The PTA has, for the most part, been an organization where people of many backgrounds could get together and work for the betterment of schools and the education of the kids. This move divides people and, in my opinion, will hurt the PTA in the long run.
TGD February 19, 2013 at 07:37 PM
Jim C 10:49 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013 "What is absurd is for an organization to take sides on a controversial issue that is not even part of their core mission......And to say that they should speak out on the AWB because there have been shootings on school campuses is just silly. Should they have a position on air pollution because it affects people breathing on campus? Should they have a position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because some students are Jewish or there is a Palestinian club on campus? Should they have a position on the gear ratios in a '68 GTO because there is, after all, auto shop on campus?" ...................................................................................... Should they have a position that there maybe drug and alcohol abuse on campus? Should they have a concern about there maybe a convicted sexual predator hired as a teacher? How silly. They should concentrate on school dances and bake sale fundraising and STFU.

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